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Trove: Taps & THC

• Courtney • Season 1 • Episode 22

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We’re at Trove Brewing with owners Jeffery and Nate serving up a few laughs while they share a peek inside Trove’s treasure chest of upcoming plans for THC beverages, tasty new food options, and fun events in the works. We also break down the new hemp ban and what this legislation could mean for craft breweries.

EPISODE BEERS (from Trove Brewing):
Courtney: The In-Between, Porter
Dan: The Sideshow, Kölsch
Jeffery: The Oddity, Hazy IPA
Nate: The Oddity, Hazy IPA

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SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I'm gonna tell you right now, like my like my whole life, my hobby, brewing. I work, brewing. Everything. Always brewing.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to the Brewery Adventure. I'm Courtney.

SPEAKER_07:

And I'm Dan. We're here to dive into the world of your local brewery.

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From small neighborhood spots to big bustling brew houses. We'll bring you along for the ride. So grab a pint and join us on the brewery adventure. Cheers.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh shit, I almost missed it. That reminds me of a joke.

SPEAKER_04:

That was a wonderful intro. It was great.

SPEAKER_02:

That was pretty good.

SPEAKER_04:

Classic.

SPEAKER_00:

Solid. Well done.

SPEAKER_07:

We're a well-loiled machine, folks.

SPEAKER_00:

We do this all the time. We are at Trove Brewing in Burnsville, Minnesota this evening. We are here with Jeffrey and with Nate. And Nate, I don't know if I say, are you from Trove or are you from breweries? You're from multiple breweries.

SPEAKER_02:

From breweries, too.

SPEAKER_00:

Jeffrey, I can say Jeffrey. From breweries.

SPEAKER_05:

I just exist in the ether at this point.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just a born out of the flames of other breweries. That's right.

SPEAKER_07:

Forged in the spent grains. Yeah, exactly. Anywhere USA.

SPEAKER_05:

Depending on when it is this is released, uh my my existing title. As it sits today on uh what day is it the 12th? November 13th. The 13th. The 13th. Oh, November 13th. As it says today, November 13th, I am the vice president of Invictus Brewing Company. That'll change. I am the owner of Credo Brands LLC. I am part owner of Trove Brewing Company. I am doing a food truck thing and a bunch of other nonsense. Yeah, the list gets longer, but that's that's the quick clip notes.

SPEAKER_00:

I like this. That's the first one. Can I ask a question?

SPEAKER_07:

I want to ask a question. So uh you have for a long time been involved also with the Minnesota Craft Brewers Guild.

SPEAKER_05:

Yes, I'm the the existing I am I am the sitting treasurer of the Minnesota Craft Brewers Guild right now.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay. And is your when is that term over?

SPEAKER_05:

Uh so I got elected on for two years originally, and this is my second term. So I'm wrapping up my third year right now at the end of this year, which means I've got on paper one more unless I you know run again or that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07:

Sure. Okay. Yep. Well, thank you for helping out with that. That's a big deal.

SPEAKER_05:

That has been one of my favorite things. I love being part of the Minnesota Craft Brewers Guild. It's such a cool community, and like it's a it I'm not trying to like pitch it right away, but like it's a great way to ingrain yourself more into the industry, learn more about what's going on, fix some stuff at your brewery just off of like the networking of what's going on and the organic part of it. I mean, I've said it before on this bot or well on one fight stand, Jeff Ziert is really good insight.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. He's a font of good information. Absolutely. And also, we're recording this on November 13th. Happy Veterans Day.

SPEAKER_05:

Hey, thanks, man. Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service. Very important. I got my high V breakfast. Oh, yeah. Nice.

SPEAKER_02:

Didn't make it to Applebee's, but yeah, it's because you're you're doing some free pints.

SPEAKER_05:

I was also, yeah, I was here.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. I love that there's so many places that really go all out for veterans on Veterans Day. Like, you know, come in, get a free meal, a lot of free drinks, coffees, you name it. That's really cool.

SPEAKER_05:

The rabbit hole that conversation, um, absolutely, what's really fun for me, anyways, is all of my military buddies are like further down south, like Hastings, Minnesota. And so I don't really get to like connect with them very often. But on every Veterans Day, I'll go to like a high V or a Chili's or I don't know, Cracker Barrel or whatever it is. And I wind up talking to the coolest 70, 80-year-old men about like old war stories and nonsense. It's so much fun. It's like just walking into a Legion organically and just like chatting with folks.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, such a camaraderie.

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely that, you know, like everybody wants to share immediately. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Very special.

SPEAKER_00:

I love that. And Jeffrey, Trove. Yes. I get to see you all the time. Yes. Because I come hang out here because I this is one of my favorite places to come. And I'm actually I'm so excited that we're finally doing an episode down here because I've wanted to come down here and do one since we started this podcast back in January. January, yeah. So this is all my dreams are coming true today.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no, it's a fun spot. You know what I mean? Dan's been down here before, and you know, for us it's really important to have you guys down here to just help us spread the word for Trove and for the industry and to keep, you know, small businesses alive. Um, I'm sure we're gonna get in a lot of that, but uh, you know, we're struggling like everybody else. It's you know, it's you know kind of tough out there in these worlds. So for us, it's like, you know, anything we can do to help out. So we're glad you're here. So thanks for coming down.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, it doesn't take much to get us out to a for a fun evening of conversation and loudmouth soup. Cheers.

SPEAKER_05:

Loudmouth soup.

SPEAKER_00:

Loudmouth soup.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm hearing new terms today. I like it. Biscuit over 21 was a new one. Loudmouth soup. I'll take that one.

SPEAKER_00:

Are we gonna talk about the other one?

SPEAKER_05:

I don't understand the other one, but I heard it.

SPEAKER_00:

We do need to get through what is everyone drinking. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I I am drinking the in-between, the cherry vanilla porter.

SPEAKER_07:

I've got the I'm on the home stretch of this Kolsch served in the nice Kolsch glass. Yes. And I just love a Kolsch. It's uh I know it's a little balmier out, and most people would say, don't you go for the heavier stuff? No. Yeah. Kolsch time is all the time.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. I love the Kolsch. It's a great style. Yeah. What are you drinking?

SPEAKER_05:

Traditionally, and you'll get tired of me saying it, the Hefeweisen is the best way to go at Tro Brewing Company when it's available. When it's available.

SPEAKER_02:

I had a nickel.

SPEAKER_05:

If you had a nickel, it's highly requested for a good reason. But I think that Jeffrey does a really, really good job of a hazy IPA. And I know that Minnesota's like hazy IPA central, but he hits the nail on the head. The oddity is what it's called. Yep. It's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and I'm also drinking the oddity normally. I'm drinking the goon. Um, but we're a little low on that. So I'm gonna let that let the guests have that, and uh, I'm gonna drink what we have the most of, which is the oddity right now. Excellent.

SPEAKER_07:

Is the goon the West Coast IPA? Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_05:

Can you clarify really quick why it's called this horrible term in uh The Goon? Dan's a teacher, he understands why it's not a good term.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, it it's a it's a it's a comic book that I love. Um it's called the Goon and then I named it after that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So nothing nefarious. Nothing nefarious. Just uh good old-fashioned, wholesome comic book.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

I I bring it up because when he named it that originally, I kind of like side-eyed, and I was like, either you're a hockey fan or you're like jabbing at me because you think it's funny. And then he explained, he's like, no, this is an obscure Dark Horse comic book from it was like 2002.

SPEAKER_08:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I I could be wrong on that one. Since then, I've acquired several of them. Yeah, several issues. It's really cool. It's basically just this like rough and tumble thug anti-hero story. He just drinks and beats up zombies. There's no reason why the zombies exist in the world of the comic book. They're just walking through the streets. It's it's obscure. It's great. It's awesome. Yeah, cool artistry.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. How do you normally go about naming your beers?

SPEAKER_02:

Uh I have a uh list of on my phone of things that inspire me, but usually comes everything from music, TV, pop culture, stuff like that. But the main thrust of it is everything has to kind of tie around either uh vaudeville or um like speakeasy type of 1920s culture. So most things, not all, but most of the beer names like the curtain call, cream ale, oddity, sideshow, goon, all that kind of stuff kind of ties back to things that you know, like vaudevillian. So yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_00:

I like a good theme.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I like to keep it consistent, you know, building a brand here in Burnsville, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00:

Well done, Jeffrey. Well done. I'm gonna slip up at some point. You go by Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

I was always introduced to you as Jeff.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, only my parents call me Jeff, but they name me and call me whatever they want.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm sorry. I'm I'm just sorry if it comes up for Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_02:

No, it's all right, no problem. Yeah, Jeffrey it is.

SPEAKER_00:

It wasn't until recently when Grant has always called you Jeffrey, and I thought he was just being very formal, and that's my boss, so I'm gonna call him by a formal name.

SPEAKER_05:

My full name is Nathaniel, by the way, Grant, just so you know.

SPEAKER_02:

Please don't call him. I like full names, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I just always thought that was a Grant thing, but that's actually you're a Jeffrey and not a Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_08:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We are gonna dive into some things that are new and upcoming at Trove. Give people a reason to come down and visit you guys, other than all the reasons why I come and visit you. Part of this, too, we're gonna talk about some some kind of current events that are going on right now. You guys have a plan to start THC drinks, hopefully January 1st.

SPEAKER_05:

No, in like two weeks.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_10:

Next week. Well, it's happening in 15 minutes if the guy in the parking lot has anything to do with it.

SPEAKER_06:

Is he not affiliated with you? Why did I give him my car keys? He's the result of the ban.

SPEAKER_02:

Sir? That's gonna happen quick, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Do you want do you want to talk to that person?

SPEAKER_02:

No, you start. You start.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. So so that that is uh a project that I'm kind of spearheading that Jeffrey's helped me out with quite a bit. The the current markets or I don't know, the the area where craft breweries are at right now, we are all equipped really well to manufacture what is uh abbreviated as LPHE, low potency hemp edibles or beverages. I have been involved in the manufacturing and that with Invictus. Sorry, there's a bunch of like aspects to this. Here I'll I'll backtrack a little bit. Some news, breaking news, however you want to look at it. Invictus Brewing Company is going away. Hasn't been super public. We'd announced that we were gonna relocate and we aren't anymore after a big decision with all the owners and how difficult it is to buy real estates just with the market where it's at. Decided we're gonna shut our doors. I've been involved in their THC program since 2022. I've been seeing the growing trend of what that is, and I gotta see firsthand the benefits of what these hemp drinks can do for folks in the realm of like, I don't want to drink alcohol anymore, or I need a different supplement or whatever. I get a little personal for a second. My dad just got diagnosed with cancer three months ago, stopped drinking alcohol entirely. This has been a great supplement for him. Yeah. Dude lost a bunch of weight, doing pretty good, but it's been a really good alternative for him. And there's a bunch of people like that where it's, you know, it could be a cancer thing, it could be restless leg syndrome, it could just be like to get stoned, whatever it is.

SPEAKER_02:

And that's great.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, absolutely. So I'm taking that energy and I've created this new company, which is called Credo Brands LLC. If you want to ask me why I got the name, it's a really fun story.

SPEAKER_00:

I do want to ask you. I want the story.

SPEAKER_05:

I I know I started this by saying I'm not a big Cinephile, but have we all seen We're the Millers?

SPEAKER_00:

I know what it is. I don't know that I watched it. I've seen it.

SPEAKER_05:

Hey, Grant's over there in the back corner of the hand. Grant's got it. Yes. So that was Jake, Jason Sodakis, Jennifer Anderson, and some other kids going on a road trip because they were trying to like move drugs, um, which ties to the city. What year did that come out? Was that like a decade ago?

SPEAKER_02:

Somebody use your their Google machine.

SPEAKER_05:

I want to say I want to say like 10 years ago. But in the movie, in a very specific scene, um, the daughter brings back a carney to their uh mobile home. His name is Scotty P, and they have this like sarcastic back and forth of like, so Scotty P, tell me about you. And he goes, Ah, like he's got this dumb retort, and they notice a tattoo across his chest that says, no regrets, that's spelt wrong.

SPEAKER_00:

No regrets. It's exactly right.

SPEAKER_05:

It's like with the letter A. McGret. And so Jason Stadeka says, like, so what's up with that? And he goes, Oh, no regrets as McCredo. The best way I could do that, laugh.

SPEAKER_09:

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_02:

Don't ever do that again.

SPEAKER_05:

And I thought it was. I'm scared away the guy selling THC in the parking lot, though.

SPEAKER_07:

So it's not always not all bad.

SPEAKER_05:

And so I thought that was a hilarious line. I loved it. And so I wanted to take that and turn it into like an actual thing. And so Credo Brands got formed. Credo Brands is this overarching business that we're manufacturing. We got our wholesale license through uh the Office of Cannabis Management, and we're gonna be doing some retail stuff in the later term, but we'll figure that out with new things that are going on with the government.

SPEAKER_00:

When you say the name in your head, do you have the laugh that goes on with it?

SPEAKER_05:

All the time. It's in great. It's like when I close my eyes, it's in the back of my eyelids.

SPEAKER_04:

So that movie came out in 2013. 2013? Yep. Hey, check that out. I was one year out of high school.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh god.

SPEAKER_07:

Dan's looking for the I slipped my first disc in 2013, and I'm not talking about a C D.

SPEAKER_05:

And I named it. So that's a very long-winded way of saying there's been this like build-up to this, and with Jeffree's help, we are gonna start manufacturing THC beverages through here is like a contract. Okay. So he's gonna be the guy who does all of the work and helps me out with it, and then I'll be the guy who retails or sells it out in the whole or in the world, wholesales.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. And so, you know, I mean, I think that breweries these days need to diversify, especially small breweries like ours. You know, the people, the amount of people that are drinking beer is shrunk. Um, they're drinking THC, um, they're doing other things, or just abstaining completely. Um, and so for us it's really important to have several irons in the fire, and this is a big one that I was able to, you know, do my Jedi mind trick and get him, mate, to do this with us is, you know, not only, you know, I think a good partnership, but you know, really important for us as a small business to be able to do this kind of thing. And, you know, when we first set out, you know, we wanted to be very beer centric, and that's great, and we are, but the problem is is like we have a lot of spaces not being used, so we can do things with other breweries, we can make more THC, we can do all this stuff in the back and utilize the space in the back of the house to create revenue, and that is gonna be really important for us moving forward.

SPEAKER_07:

One question I have is that you know, there's also some small breweries, and kind of getting back to something you said, Jeffrey, that you know, breweries need to really get creative if they're gonna stay afloat in these like uncertain kind of you know, when the the goalposts keeps moving kind of a time. Oh my gosh. Yes, you have a lot of space. I know there's there's smaller breweries that are doing well, but they're at capacity. Right. Do you think that a viable solution for some places to kind of like weather the storm is start pooling resources? Like if you have extra production space or time, contract brewing or like I remember way back when there was it was bad weather, I think it was Excelsior, and they all brewed out of uh the same place over in like the western birds off of like Baker Road, kind of very close to where Boom Island is. You know, and they started out that way, and it was three breweries operating out of one brewhouse. I wonder if that's not a solution, you know, for some people, because I know paddlefish, when I interviewed them in the summer, they were like, Yeah, we're kind of maxed out, we can't brew more. So they were like trying to talk about like what are what are some you know contract brewing options and things like that.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. And we have explored that. I mean, you hit the nail right on the head. We are definitely doing that, and there are breweries that you know we're not totally allowed to talk about yet, or Facebook, you know.

SPEAKER_05:

Facebook official. That's an old term too. Wonderful. All right.

SPEAKER_02:

I told you I was old. This also happened way back in like the 90s. So I've been in the beer industry way back then when a lot of breweries were pooling, buying each other, doing those other kind of stuff, and it feels like that now, but in a smaller sense where a lot of smaller breweries can get together and help each other out. Yeah. I have the space, you know what I mean? So I guess it's a little bit of an advertisement. I have the space to do that kind of thing, and we have the skilled employees to do that kind of thing, and we can you know, shout out to Grant. And to us, that is another avenue of revenue, and we are in talks with another brewery to do that kind of thing. We already have paperwork into the TTB to do uh contract brewing with them, but of course the government shut down.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

We had it in two, three weeks, and then the government shut down. And so I had to call this brewery and be like, well, we're just kind of waiting to see. You know what I mean? And so now I don't know what's gonna happen. You know what I mean? We gotta start things back up again, the government's back up and running. But it has been extremely frustrating because, like you said, the goalpost keeps moving. Yeah, and for us, it is infuriating because we're just small business trying to make moves to make us, you know, profitable. And right now, you know, there are certain parts of the government that are helping, and we're doing our best. Yeah, but yes, we are doing that. We are looking at other breweries to brew in this facility for sure.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, and it is to what you said, it's really important for everybody right now to be looking at what other opportunities exist out there, whether that is THC, taboo now, whether that is uh food concepts, whether that is co-packing, contracting. We are implored now more than ever to really stretch our mind and figure out what is gonna bring an audience in here and how we're gonna find some money, you know? Right come up with a new I mean energy energy drink's a bad idea, but like monster one or a lot of people are moving to the brew pub model.

SPEAKER_07:

Brew pub model makes sense too.

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely. You know, gauge your community, what makes sense in the area that you're at?

SPEAKER_02:

Dirty soda.

SPEAKER_05:

He's gonna listen to this.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll let no one is that here's yeah, you should be called.

SPEAKER_07:

Isn't it like a combo of a Mr. Piv and a martini?

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, it's very much like that.

SPEAKER_07:

My name is Bond. James Bond. I'll take a dirty soda if you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_02:

It's a whole thing.

SPEAKER_07:

But right now it's like Mormon James Bond, just so you know. Okay, sorry. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01:

That was great.

SPEAKER_02:

But for me, it's like I don't want to do anything else. I want to do this. I want to be the beer industry. I've been in it my whole life. And so, you know, the river runs deep for me, and I want to make this work. Um so I'm gonna do everything I can, and that means, you know, THC and you know, bring food in here and maybe do the Rupa model and all that kind of stuff. Those are all things that we're doing.

SPEAKER_00:

I do want to get back to the THC stuff because there's some legislation that was passed and is going to be a concern for THC in Minnesota going forward. I don't even know the specifics of all of it right now. I've heard that it's kind of dumbing down the amount of THC that you can put into beverages down to 0.4 instead of like normally a can. Yeah, normally you get a can of THC and it's like five milligrams or ten milligrams. I feel like things are very heavily regulated in Minnesota, and even talking to you in the past about the things that you've had to do to prepare for doing THC out of here, there's a lot of hoops to jump through. There's a lot of stuff that you have to do, there's a lot of regulations that go into it. Maybe it's not like that in other states, but for us here, it's that's kind of a big deal.

SPEAKER_05:

It's a very long-winded conversation. So, yes, absolutely. Minnesota specifically did a great job of being the forefront of THC in the United States. We built with the Craft Brewers Guild, with all the brewers that did this, we built the framework and like the artificial regulation on how to do this safely, responsibly. We did a great job in other states.

SPEAKER_02:

They did a great job.

SPEAKER_05:

And other states recognized that. You look at Tennessee, you look at New Jersey, everybody looked over to Minnesota as a framework for how it is they should be doing this. And then at the beginning of this 2025, this year, Minnesota changed that and respectfully bastardized it. With the best of intention, they wanted to make sure that things were really safe, but they just made it so much more difficult. And adding unnecessary licenses, compliance, regulations that kind of just made it worse and redundant. And redundant, yeah. That that's a good way of wording that. They I don't want to say bankrupted businesses, but they put a lot of folks right at the edge of like, we don't know if we want to do this anymore because of new compliance issues. And that was two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_07:

What were some of those things? Or like what were some of the things that that changed financially?

SPEAKER_05:

So I I can give three really good examples right away. A label compliance was a really big one. There are folks that heavily invested in printed cans, have like a lot of schools of labels of things that have been selling for the past two years. OCM came down, legislature came down saying what's on your label now is no longer in compliance. You need to have these two icons on here, you need to have all this specific verbiage, you need to redo all of this in a way that's not convenient. If it was just like a little line, easy, this is a makeover. And so folks that were doing well that had a stock of inventory already either had to burn that inventory or add a lot of expense to it. So that made it difficult. Then they added licenses, which the deadline for licenses for both or for manufacturing, distribution, and retail uh got cut off on October 31st. And I'm gonna come across like I'm complaining, but I am.

SPEAKER_02:

Um It was tough. I mean, and it's hard to navigate, but the websites aren't very clear, and there's just a lot of yeah, there's just a lot of bad hoops to jump through.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, on the license side, you had to file for a manufacturer's license, which okay, that can kind of make sense, right? You need to make sure that you're going through the right channel. If you were a self-distribution brewery or entity, that was no longer really an option because the wholesale license is ten thousand dollars. That's a pretty big chunk of change for a lot of small businesses to go and fork that over. And so the smaller guys, I don't want to name names, but said, you know what, I'm not gonna fork over that because I only get this percentage of my business from this. It's just too difficult. I'm not gonna do that. And so that gives more power to the distributors or to the outside folks to come in. The last one is and the most important is the testing requirements. And so, up until this new thing passed, you were able to test in whatever like accredited THC lab exists in the United States. I know uh up until this point. So you can send it out to um Colorado or Wisconsin or whatever it is, whatever your sample is, and make sure that you get the right dosage inside of your package, make sure that you don't have any heavy metals, pesticides, whatever it is, and then you get cleared. You've got your certificate of analysis, your clearance. You're good. You are two thumbs up. Moving forward, it has to be tested in the state of Minnesota. Oh there are two labs currently, one on the way, supposedly. Can't speak for all of that. I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_10:

We don't know now, though.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't know why this is all the stuff leading up to the new van, right? So so it got difficult first and it's getting more difficult. So the lab or the testing requirements will make it so taxing because it's gonna be this bottleneck effect. Everybody's gonna go to these two entities saying, Hey, I've got a new batch of whatever it is, I need to be able to sell it so that I can make some money. There'd be backlog three weeks or more. Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_07:

I was talking to another head brewer who was saying that part one of the things was that any THC beverage that was sold here would need to be tested here. Their take was that so some of these THC producers from out of state wouldn't pay like extra money to have their beverages tested in a different state, so they were gonna pull out, so that might be like a silver lining, but it it could thin they're a double-edged sword, it could thin them out because they don't want to test in Minnesota because it's gonna be so backlogged.

SPEAKER_05:

Also, if they're manufactured outside of the state of Minnesota, they don't have to get a manufacturing license, they didn't have to go through all the hoops that we did. So they've got a quicker way in, oh sure, but a little bit of a difficulty to continue. So depends on how you look at it. Yeah, so all of that's going on, and we felt these constraints. Again, reiterating, I think regulation is important for health, safety, absolutely, all that. Like I'm I'm not opposed to it, it was just done in a really uncomfortable way.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, just I mean, this is like everything, you know. What when something good happens and everybody's doing it, somebody comes in to make it, so the only people who can really play in the pool are the people with the resources and the bigger companies. Correct. That's the annoying part.

SPEAKER_02:

That's the annoying part. Yeah, yeah. The exact same thing with the THC ban.

SPEAKER_05:

And then, fast forward to yesterday, last night, two days ago, I'm kinda losing track of time at this point. For me, last Friday, when it all got proposed, hemp ban throughout the United States of uh America.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, thanks, Mitch McConnell.

SPEAKER_05:

So Mitch McConnell and some other folks decide to like weasel into an appropriations bill, a federal hemp ban for specifically lower potency hemp edibles in what they were calling a way to close the loophole. Because they saw 2018's ag bill as like not okay. Like, oh well, it's you guys just got drugs in here and it shouldn't be our and we not just Minnesota, but a bunch of other states now have, like I said, built a framework and we've shown that not only can we do this responsibly, but that is all this benefit, there's all this tax revenue, there's all of this good that comes from it. And there's always gonna be a you know a bad egg out there or two, right? Bad players, whatever, and there'll be some incidents. I don't want incidents to happen, but a large swath of them doing this the right way. Yes, and so that came down. And now, as it was passed the other night, we have a 365-day deferment until an actual ban is put in place. So we got a year, and that year means either sell as much low-bote zamp edible as possible or fight. Or fight. Yeah, and I think that Minnesota, I think that all the other states, I think that the stakeholders in this will do exactly that and prove that we can do this the right way, that we have a space in the markets, and we're just gonna proceed forward as if we can fight the right way.

SPEAKER_02:

I think there's a whole bunch of politicians, you know, putting their will into this bill, and I think that the will of the people actually, you know, from Texas, everybody, this is not a left or right issue. I think that everybody in between wants hemp and they want TC dry beverages, you know, smoking it is one thing, but everybody wants, you know, edibles, they want seltzers. I think that uh there's gonna be a big movement to change this.

SPEAKER_05:

So one of the things that I think Minnesota did right early on was the provision to make sure that we could sell these things in liquor stores. And what I think we did right about that was I know this is like a political conversation where like, you know, not not as upbeat and funny, but what what it's like the benefit to the liquor store specifically was Gladys or Bertha or whoever it is who's been buying vodka from there. Gladys?

SPEAKER_01:

Gladys, Gladys or Bertha.

SPEAKER_07:

You said you're 31 years old. How do you never have you ever met a Gladys or a Bertha? I'm calling bullshit on that. Those names. Where'd you get those names?

SPEAKER_02:

We're retired in like 1920, I think. Patsy.

SPEAKER_05:

I would like some of that. THC. She's been buying vodka from the same liquor store forever. Yeah, and she finds all of a sudden that she can buy a like THC beverage. She won't think as much about that as she would if she had to go to a dispensary. She sees dispensary, she sees drug store, drugs are scary. She sees this and she goes, Oh, this is comfortable because Mark behind the counter has been serving me forever. They wouldn't do me wrong. That's right. And that helps with her restless leg syndrome. Yeah, yeah. The anxiety that's out there, the shoulder pains, the whatever that is. We're not here to cure.

SPEAKER_02:

Right, yeah. It is not one of those things where you know people feel like they need to hide from it anymore because people come in here and they, you know, all walks of life, 21 up to like in their 80s, ask me if I have teachy beverages. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a very long-winded way of saying that we've got a a new challenge ahead of us, and I think that we can handle it and we know what we're doing. So we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_07:

I also wonder how much of the distiller lobby was in McConnell's ear, because he is from Kentucky. There's a lot of things. And they see that like this whisper about pie, yeah, cutting it. Oh, I'm absolutely sure that's it.

SPEAKER_00:

Their pie's already gone. It's already gone.

SPEAKER_05:

That's the tough argument. Is like, and we've said this here, is if people are drinking less alcohol, would they go back to alcohol if DHC is illegal? Probably not.

unknown:

No, I don't.

SPEAKER_07:

Gonna find something else. Yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_05:

Everybody's watching Joshua Block on TikTok and they're like, oh, I'm not gonna drink another beer in my life. If anybody gets that reference, no, really, there'll be one listener in this who's like, I know what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00:

I would like to hear from that one listener, please.

SPEAKER_05:

Like, I don't want to drink anymore. Joshua Block.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not gonna go look this up. It's gonna improve my life. I can tell already. It will.

SPEAKER_07:

I just I just wish like we should be able to decide. The consumer. Give us choice. Correct. Let us pick what we want. Like, if I do research and I find out that, okay, health-wise, alcohol isn't for me, I should have the option to choose something else, but still occupy spaces like breweries so I can hang out with my friends and experience that like social part of it that I think we all really love. But it just, I don't like the okay, I'm gonna take my ball and go home so none of us can play. That's the frustrating part. That's a good metaphor. And Mitch McConnell can suck it. I hate that guy.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't understand how he's even still there making those kind of decisions.

SPEAKER_07:

I know. Remember that one time he just like deer in the headlights at like uh the one time. Yeah, like you can. Oh, Mitch McConnell. I can't remember my name, yes. Like, screw him.

SPEAKER_02:

But again, I don't know. I think that this will actually end up being, I think that we watched this one gentleman on uh Instagram, but I think it'll be a good opportunity for everybody to kind of get together, get this done for everybody once and for all, and just make it legal and just settle it. You know, I think that we're up to the challenge and we can do it.

SPEAKER_05:

I think so. Yeah, we're we're gonna see a big influx of folks that once the consumer realizes what's been proposed, the liquor stores, the the retail that's out there, they're all gonna get flooded, people are gonna panic, they're gonna buy a bunch of it. The ones that want to stick around and say, hey, we're here to stay, it'll be the ones that wind up winning. And it'll also help to prove that you know people want to continue buying this, they can do it in a I'll keep saying responsibly, but in a responsible manner. And if we build a cap that's universal, then we can do it in a way that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel so much better about this now because as soon as I started seeing headlines and reading articles about all of this, all I could think of was you at Trove because I know this has been a big we're gonna do this. This is so exciting, this is coming up, this is happening, and then this is what comes through.

SPEAKER_02:

I just couldn't I like my reaction to it at first was like, you know, I throw my phone through a wall type of thing. I was like, what is that? Why why? Like, how does this all of a sudden happen in the universe? Like, why? I just didn't get it in. And so for me, it was just like one of those things where then and then the next reaction was you know, get this and you know, modified it and like do other things, and you know what I mean? So then these guys came back to me and they're like, We're still in it, let's do this. And I was just like, I don't know if I can cuss on this podcast, but I was like, fuck yeah, let's do this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

W when I heard the news, I like immediate panic went through my eyes really quick as like you kind of go through like all of the what ifs and that kind of stuff. Yeah, and I wanted to go down to my basement to grab like the de-stressing drink. The only alcohol in my house was a bunch of champagne left over for my wedding. So I had to go up to my wife and be like, I'm really pissed off.

SPEAKER_02:

Let's celebrate.

SPEAKER_07:

He's fancy.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_10:

He's fancy when he's pissed.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes.

SPEAKER_08:

Blue, blue, blue, blue, blue.

SPEAKER_02:

But yeah, I know, it's very frustrating. But it's like you know, Nate, you know, wants to push through, and I think that he's right. So we should do that.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm getting in line behind you, Nate. Heck yeah. Lead the charge, man.

SPEAKER_05:

So look look for uh stuff from Credo Beverages, Credo brands. Um, really soon here. We should be uh packaging stuff in the next like two weeks here. I brought some examples of the first iteration of what's going on. Is uh I bought the brand Voltage from Invictus, so that is my concoction now. So going forward, that is gonna be mine uh amongst a couple other brands, and then I'll be distributing a few other uh folks, friends of mine as well. So we'll hopefully be a leading force.

SPEAKER_00:

I love this. That's exciting. That's very cool. I didn't realize when you brought these out to the table that that's what I thought you were just like handing Grant some beverages for him to take home. Here's drugs.

SPEAKER_05:

No, yeah, so yeah. Um I'm not that kind of friend, unfortunately, yet, but I'll get there too.

SPEAKER_07:

Uh Black Tar heroin shelter we've got in the works. And this pack's a punch, I'll tell you. If you thought uh putting a double shot of uh espresso in your drink was wacky.

SPEAKER_05:

If I can talk about fun names for things that I'll never get cleared, when when Trove first got like put together the look on Jeffrey's face.

SPEAKER_06:

Well man, we're gonna get sued.

SPEAKER_05:

If you remember this or not, I've run the idea by this uh spot more than once, is a beer called Oops All Microplastics. And it hasn't and it hasn't happened yet, and I think it's wonderful.

SPEAKER_02:

Oops all micro. Can you just add it? I can do it. It's you know, a chalkboard, I could change it. No problem. I can change any beer to that right now. Oops, all micro plastics.

SPEAKER_05:

I understand the stigma behind it, people would be concerned, but I think it'd be funny.

SPEAKER_00:

Or at least you're being upfront about it. You're not just sneaking him in.

SPEAKER_05:

The idea is to put him on the spot now, so he has to say yes.

SPEAKER_02:

That's never gonna happen, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, it could happen. You guys do here at Trove, you do some collaboration beers with regulars in your Geeks and Gurus small batch beer series.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that's one of my favorite things that I've hatched a very long time ago when I was coming up with Trove. Uh Geeks and Gurus was supposed to be a special series that we did, but it didn't start out as what it is now, as most things do. So it just started out as something fun for me to be able to express myself and do different things when it came to beer styles and stuff like that. So that's how it started. But then once we got here and we opened, I started working with other like home brewers and regulars and just customers that wanted to brew things for crazy ass reasons. Like a like a like their cat that passed away.

SPEAKER_00:

The dead cat beer.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep, the cube. And so all of these things kind of snowballed themselves into this thing that was just kind of awesome and wonderful, and where we, you know, bring people in that are regulars. Like today, we brewed a batch of beer. We brewed a Belgian golden strong ale with some regulars, Nate and Anna. Um, they're huge fans of ours, just fantastic, wonderful people. And they, you know, wanted to get in on the action and we're like, okay, we'll schedule something. I had a recipe of a favorite beer that they really liked, and and we brewed that today.

SPEAKER_00:

Other other things, iterations have been, you know, the cue of the cat the the this couple wanted But I'm sorry, I call it I called it the Dead Cat beer because they told me the story about it, and that's all I can think of when I think of that beer. I get it.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, I get it. It's a very like, you know, different, off-the-wall reason, but at the same time, we're like, okay, let's sound kind of fun. Let's do this, you know what I mean? So we came with a recipe, uh, Saison, that's it's our favorite kind of beer, and then we put it up on the board and named it the cube and all that kind of stuff, and it sold out and you know, like really fast. Um, other other ones were fine.

SPEAKER_07:

What's the batch size on these?

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, just 10 gallons, like super small, yes. But I mean, for us, it's not about you know making money or anything like that, it's just more about experimentation. So the whole slogan around geeks and gurus is F around to find out. To me, it's like, let's just do some fun things, let's just do some different things, and in 2026, we're gonna get a little more jiggy with it. Um, so you don't know that.

SPEAKER_07:

So that was a song, Nate, back in the back in the name.

SPEAKER_10:

I don't even know what that was.

SPEAKER_03:

I I've heard the term. I actually don't I can't I can't identify.

SPEAKER_02:

Maybe DJ Jazzy Jeff. I don't know. Um Will Smith, yeah, that's what I thought. DJ Jazzy Jeff, yeah. But I mean we're gonna be we're gonna be doing some new things and fun things in 2026 and doing more of that, but it's just a small batch because you know our small batch is a lot different than other people's small batches. Some people are doing 10 barrel small batches, we do 10 gallon small batches, that's what we do. Super proud of it, and you know, um we put out some really good recipes, like we had a choke cherry sour um that we did with fish stream, which is not a brewery. I get it, but at the same time, it was really good. Yeah, it was turned out great. So to me, it's just a way to build community in beer, to get people in here to engage and then to, you know, work from the tap room out. You know what I mean? So word of mouth is always better. We build the love in here when people care, be like, you know, we brewed a beer with uh trove, you gotta come, and they bring their family and their friends and the people with the cat beer, they brought family and friends in for four days straight. That's awesome and brought people in. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

They also made you a really nice plaque.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, they made it a really nice plaque. It was pretty awesome, and you know, it's just one of those things there's just like a sweet moment where it's just like really cool, and that's the kind of stuff that we want to do because we've never wanted to be like a big regional brewery, we just want to be your local brew pub. That's what we wanted when we opened this up. Yeah, the community center. Yeah, community center, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_07:

The elusive third space. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That's my second space.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the second space for recording.

SPEAKER_00:

I heard you talking about the the different spaces in one of the a one pint stand episodes. Yeah. And you were talking about your your spaces are your home space, your workspace, and then the brewery is like your third space. Yeah. Well, I work from home, so I get to count work and home as one, and then the brewery space is my second space. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh my god, all three of them are a brewery for me.

SPEAKER_00:

No, it's your first space.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, don't yeah, I'm telling you right now, like my like my whole life, my hobby, brewing. My work, brewing, everything, always brewing. So I get it.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you have any like any problems? Like you're turning your your passion into your profession. Has there have been any issues with that? Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I can name like a 50 right now. I mean, every everything from money to personal to all this stuff, you know what I mean? It's all tied together. Sort of sacrifices you have to make to be able to, you know, run a business yourself and certain things that you know that are coming. I mean, I've been running breweries and tap rooms for since I was like, you know, 25. So it's like for me, it's just like, you know, there are certain things that you still have to do. Like I still have to bartend and stuff like that to, you know, pay the bills and make sure labor is good and all this kind of stuff. So there's a lot of things that I've learned. But I mean, would I do it any differently? Probably. I probably do it differently, but I would still do it. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04:

So strong words, I like it.

SPEAKER_00:

But you seem to enjoy the the beer tending side of things though. You seem very comfortable. You interact with everybody like you've known them for years. Right.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I mean, it's easy, either to me, because our regulars are phenomenal, so shout out to all of my regulars. They're wonderful. Yeah, I mean I like bartending, absolutely. But at some point in time, I think for me, sooner or later it's gonna come to running the business side of things, to make sure we're profitable, to make sure that Trove is around for a while.

SPEAKER_00:

So you guys have some other things upcoming. We we talked about food a little bit, but there will be a food situation here at Trove.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep, so right now, I mean, I don't know how far you want to go in it, but um basically we're, you know, we're lit again and we're looking at doing some food here. Um, yeah, I can't I I don't want to get like ahead of ourselves because you know there's still a lot of permitting and also that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_05:

But yeah, definitely talk about the concept, what we're thinking. I just don't want to take up too much of the microphone time because I get chatty. Oh, do it.

SPEAKER_00:

Do it. It's okay. We're here for chatty. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Uh so I've I've got two really cool passions of my own that are kind of getting driven through Trobe Brewing Company, which is really cool. The THC thing is great. The food truck. Well, so it's what's the right term we would want to use? It's like semi-permanent food.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm just calling it our kitchen.

unknown:

Kitchen.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a good word. I like that one. What a concept!

SPEAKER_02:

I know, but instead of uh, you know, a$400,000 kitchen.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, so the idea was we wanted to bring food to Trove Brewing Company because of a multitude of reasons, but financially it's tough to do because it's a huge build-out, and like getting the quotes and realizing what it like what goes into it's a little deterring. A lot of brewery space is pre-built for that, but still it's a lot that goes into it. We had seen some other examples out in the world, and we came up with the idea of building basically a food truck into a wall. So if I guess nobody can really see this, but on the east side wall, the idea is to park a trailer, carve a hole into the wall of like a big order here. Um it is part of the pass-through window. Pass-through window. Yeah, I like that. It's part of the structure, but it's not at the same time. This way the cost goes down quite a bit, and we can do the things that we really want to do. Right. And what's my my goal, what we're working really hard towards, and what's been moving pretty well, actually, it everything just takes time, is something that me and my father-in-law have been like we conceptualized like a year ago. It all came from like tacos al pastor out in the backyard.

SPEAKER_07:

And so if I'm listening, yes, so was I. You said tacos al pastor.

SPEAKER_05:

Tacos al pastor. Absolutely. My wife and her family there from Guadalajara, specifically her stepdad, my father-in-law, is a very well-trained cook. He went to like Spain and he went to Italy, and he's good at what he does.

SPEAKER_10:

Yes, he is.

SPEAKER_05:

We had one day out in the backyard where we were invited over right after he bought his house, three houses away from mine. It's really cool. It's like everybody loves Raymond, there's no problems with that whatsoever.

SPEAKER_07:

Um interesting. That's a whole nother podcast.

SPEAKER_05:

That's a whole other podcast. But they invited us over to do El Pastore, and I was like, I've heard that word before. I've been the Chipotle, I know what I'm envisioning here. No, not a clue. So he had like manufactured, welded this. Uh, it's called a trumpo. It is, if you've ever had like a euro before, it's like a side heating element on a spindle. Yeah, but the side wall, it's all charcoal. So he has to like hand fill that, and that is the heating element. So you get that kind of like smoky mesquites, like all that kind of flavor that goes into the meat. Marinated stuff for a good amount of time, his own marinade. It was phenomenal. I still have a photo on my phone. I sent it to him that day.

SPEAKER_02:

He sends it, he he shows it to me like every other time we see each other. He's like, Look at this. I'm like, I know.

SPEAKER_05:

Me, his name's Richie. Me and Richie were like, This is great. We need to figure out a way to turn this into something that's like more commercial. And then the Opportunity Trove came about where we were talking about like doing food, and all of these things just kind of like welded together in a way where it was like, this just makes sense. Yeah. So since then, we've found uh food truck manufacturer, we've gotten all of our food suppliers like lined up, we've got a menu put in place, we're doing a mock menu next week over at um one of our suppliers' places. It's tracking along really well, and so we're hoping I'd love to give a timeline. I really wish I'd give you a timeline, man.

SPEAKER_10:

There's just no way.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I just want to be able to style a date on my calendar to be I'm going to Trove on this day because there's gonna be food.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, we'll let y'all know, but I mean at the same time, it's just like you know, I think it's harder, it's been harder to get this going than it has to open up the brewery. I'll be honest with you. It's just like crazy, like the permitting, all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07:

It's just crazy because Is it was the city pretty like receptive like to the that idea?

SPEAKER_02:

I wouldn't say there they weren't opposed. Okay, you know, but they had a lot of safety concerns, and I get it, you know what I mean? Uh it's like I don't want to piss off Burnsville, you know what I mean, because they want to make sure that it's safe because they're like this could be uh you know something that other people want to do. This could become very popular.

SPEAKER_07:

And then they'd have to like get rid of all the chain restaurants that you drive by those are real awesome, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Those are awesome. I love microwaves. But uh uh order up 30 seconds or a minute.

SPEAKER_07:

Your coconut shrimp is ready.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, oh my god, yes, no, but this would be like something that they want to make sure the permits are correct for, and so they're using this probably as like a guinea pig, making sure that all of the safety concerns are dealt with before we move forward. So it's been it's been a chore, but we're you know moving forward, and so but it's like moves like molasses.

SPEAKER_05:

Absolutely, yeah. But it's been super fun. Like the the idea when all this is ironed out, this is gonna be like such a such a cool space. Yes, yeah, THC on retail, some of the best beer that you're gonna find in the South Metro, if not in Minnesota. Yes, I I do like sincerely mean that instead of just like a plug for you. Like I appreciate I appreciate that. Part of the Minnesota Crafters.

SPEAKER_02:

Flattery will get you everywhere, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_05:

Drink for free, anyways. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um he comes in on he tells me he's coming in for his free pint on Veter's Day. I'm like, when have you ever paid for a get out of town? Never.

SPEAKER_00:

This is like a ceremonial free pint, though.

SPEAKER_05:

Fair enough. Yeah. We didn't drink it. Sorry, go ahead. Go ahead. I I offer to pay for myself. But anyways, um, but no, but sincerely, so like it's some of the best beer that you're gonna find. Um, the space is super wonderful. It's cozy, it's great. And then if we can have food that's made in this beautifully authentic way from a man who knows exactly what he's doing, if we can have THC manufactured in the back with a little bit of retail space over here so you can pick what your poison is, whatever you're comfortable with, so that way it's open to all audiences, whether that's the non-alcoholic, the THC, the beer, all that. Like we're we're crafting a space that's right, we're we're right, we're right on the precipice of it.

SPEAKER_02:

And we're very, very excited because it's like for us, it's like we want to be relevant, we want to move forward in this space, and you know, we want to do all this stuff and we understand the challenges of it and what you have to do to do it these days. You know what I mean? Like the, you know, having food, that's a big deal in the suburbs. You just have to have it. Yeah. I thought originally I was gonna be able to get away with it. You know what I mean? You know, just doing the beer, all that kind of stuff, and I thought that that would be a good thing, but after COVID, things changed. I just didn't realize it yet. And so you have to change or you have to die. So you have to move, and we're gonna we're gonna move. So we're gonna make things happen. So with nature.

SPEAKER_05:

Flexible rigidity. Yes. That's what they call me in college.

SPEAKER_02:

Nick name a high school.

SPEAKER_00:

You guys have another amazing element down here though. You you've got the beer, you're gonna have the THC, you're gonna have the food. The community that gathers in this space is really not like anything I've seen in other places. It's incredible walking in the door. There are familiar faces. Now, when I come in, I recognize these people. They they come here regularly, they know each other, but they're not like a clicky kind of group that you can't just walk up and start talking to them. They will start talking to you. Oh, yeah, they will invite you in, you are part of their conversation. It's such a welcoming community space.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes, and I and that's all in part to our regulars who just are wonderful people. You know what I mean? They're just fantastic, you know what I mean? I'll I'll shout out to Amber because I know she'll be listening. Um, she's an amazing human being, but uh just all the people that come in here and hang out and support us, you know, they you know, not only do they help us keep the lights on, but uh they help build what we are doing here and just spread the word for our beer and our tap room, and you know, Angie and I, you know, trying to create something that is just fun and relaxed and a little bit different than your normal tap room. And so I feel like you know, the community here that we built has been I don't know, beyond my expectations. I didn't really realize, you know what I mean, within two years that it was gonna do that, but I feel blessed. I mean, we have our birthday parties, we had what's that? Wedding receptions, wedding receptions, yes, you know what I mean. It's like all I mean, just like the game. The Navy has been here. It's crazy in Minnesota. I know they bought out the whole place, they drake their face off. It's awesome. Uh, but uh, I mean, we just they're building a space here that you know what I mean. I'm I'm sure that every brewery aspires to and wants to do it, just a community space. It's super fun, exciting, and you know, just like their their home spot. That's what we want to do. And I feel like we are slowly like building that, you know, and all walks of life. I want to say that because it's true, it's very important. I'm sure, Courtney, you can attest to it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

And like all walks of life, you know what I mean? So left, right, center, whatever it is, doesn't matter. So we're not known for TVs here. We have two TVs hidden in the corner, so I know it's I know we're not really, you know. It's not why you come here. I know it's not why I come here. You bring your own entertainment and you're entertained while you are here. So it's like bring your mixture and your microphone. That's right. Exactly, yeah, exactly. And so it's like, you know, it's conversation, it's you know, you know, just camaraderie and all that kind of stuff. And there are people from all walks of life and all ideologies that uh get along here and I support it.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just it's very welcoming. I've walked into other places, and there is a community that you kind of have to work yourself into. Yeah. You can see the regulars that are in that space and they're having a good time, and you think that can be really intimidating.

SPEAKER_07:

It can be intimidating.

SPEAKER_00:

Like I I want to be a part of that, but it doesn't feel like I can just walk up and start talking to those people. But here you're gonna walk in and they're gonna be like, that's someone new. They should come over and talk to us. Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

If you're here more than if you're here like two or three weeks in a row, it's like, forget about it. They're coming over. Yeah. And they're gonna want to know everything about you. Yes.

SPEAKER_05:

When people understood what like my full name was, and I'm not here very often. We're like, Nathan Schneider, and I'm like, oh my god, Nathaniel Bertha Schneider. Nathan forgot your middle name.

SPEAKER_07:

Middle name in the beer business business. Not many people know it. That's why they call them Big Bertha. Ooh.

SPEAKER_08:

Sorry.

SPEAKER_02:

But yes, yeah, they're I mean, they're fucking amazing people, so I'll tell you, you know, and so we wouldn't be here without them. And I think that for us, it's like we're gonna continue to do that, grow our tent. That's what we're looking to do. Grow our tent. So, not just financially, but in the community.

SPEAKER_05:

Coming off of that, I'd give you another plug because not to stroke your ego too much, but I'm out in the market, I get to see what's going on, like across the the greater state of Minnesota, especially even here in the South Metro. And the general consensus is people feel comfortable here, they get to talk to the owner, and you get along with folks. Yeah, like one of the best reviews among or like aside from the beer aspect is Ben, we get to talk to what's his name, to do with the salt and pepper beard.

SPEAKER_10:

Thanks. You do Jeffrey.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Super friendly guy. Yes. And everybody loves that. Yes. I hear that over and over again.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, and that's definitely there is value in that for sure. You know what I mean? Be bartending and hanging out to people and getting to know people. So yeah, I'm great.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, I also think it's when I go to a brewery often and I don't see the owner, that's a problem.

SPEAKER_06:

I agree with you.

SPEAKER_07:

Like, I think in from a business standpoint, I think like if you own the You gotta be around, yeah. You need to know what is working and what's not working. And you know, the feedback that you get, whether it's solicited or otherwise from your regulars, they will tell you everything you need to know. Yes, they do what you're doing wrong and what you're doing right. They don't hold back. Yeah. Because we have that relationship. And I think that's important because that that shows that they care. Now they don't always go about it the most tactful manner, but you know, like when I go into a brewery, I'm like, where is so-and-so? Like, oh, you know, he just like here, there, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

You can't expect everybody to be around all the time, but like still having some aspect of your business, you know, some some role in there. Yeah, but like every time. Some social role.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. Like in the in the in the places where I frequent where things are going really well, like Juno, yeah, Garth, Josh, they're always at Arbiter. Jeff Ziert is always at Lupulin. Like, that's important. And I think there's like other places.

SPEAKER_02:

I know, I don't know if I have a story about that. I don't know if it's Jeff. I don't remember. Some magical nights like 10 years ago. Some magical night at Lupulin. I love this. It was it was a magical night at Lupalin. I'm like, I am at Lupin, I'm working for Grand City, and my boss and I stopped in, going from St. Cloud, stopped in, and then I'm like, I'm like peeking back in the brewery, and all of a sudden some guy taps me and like, You want a tour?

SPEAKER_04:

That sounds like he peeked up in the corner of the window. That sounds like one finger.

SPEAKER_02:

But I was like, I was like, I would love one. And then I brought my boss in, and then he brought us to the back, and he's like, and not only this 10-barrel brewery, but back where they're expanding before they, you know, I mean, they were just in the midst of going crazy, and he was generous with his time, and just it was an awesome experience, and it's just one of those things that solidified my like love for this kind of stuff. When you meet people along the way like that, you just want to do more. So it was awesome. Yeah, it was great.

SPEAKER_05:

I I I could give another example of that just to like name drop because I'm really good at that. Jen from Spiral Brewing Company was a really good example of that for me early on, like earlier in the career. She's great. Is I remember I ran into her over uh off of Selby at um not the muddy pig, what's the the bar that's right next to it? Oh, the happy gnome? No, uh, close to it. It's got the really cool like hidden patio.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh WA Frost.

SPEAKER_05:

Nah, but we're we're in the same area. Anyways, I remember I remember it vividly, but that place that I can't remember.

SPEAKER_07:

Big Bertha's Fun Emporium in the home of the Midwest back scratch.

SPEAKER_05:

I don't know what you home of the Midwest back scratch.

SPEAKER_07:

That's right. Now it's different than an East Coast back scratch because please not only do you get the salt water, you also get the abrasive accent. The Midwest is just like, you know, Midwest. Instead of small fit, instead of the small fit, sweaty, your skin. Man, I'm full. I that I need an app.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know what that means, but I'm up I'm up for it. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_07:

Mashed potatoes were used. That's all I'm gonna say. Comfort food.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh my god. Tato hot dish. Um I love it. But I remember running into Jen. We're at an account, it's an on-premise one, it's right over in that area, and I can't remember the name of the bar, and it's gonna kill me because I've been there so many times.

SPEAKER_07:

Fug me. I know it's still open?

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, yeah. It's driving me crazy. They did the mystery shot all the time. It was like$3. I don't know. It's right next to where the bunny pig was.

SPEAKER_07:

Moscow on the hill?

SPEAKER_05:

It's it's the same area, but really close.

SPEAKER_07:

Sweeney's.

SPEAKER_03:

Sweeney, sweeney.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh my god, me and God, yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh god, my sister-in-law used to work there.

SPEAKER_05:

Sorry to Sweeney's. That's I love you, and I just that was a little misfire in my brain. But I remember like sitting down there.

SPEAKER_07:

That is a great patio. It's awesome, yeah. The fireplace.

SPEAKER_05:

It's beautiful, yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember sitting down at the bar, and then Jen sits down. I've never met her before, and she just starts like chatting with me in this really pleasant manner of just like we're friends immediately. I was like, oh, cool, great. What do you do? She's like, Oh, I'm just part of Spiral. I just sell for them. I'm like, oh, that's neat. And then like a few months passed, and I'm like, you're the owner of Spiral. Like, you're you're modest, you're easygoing, and you're super pleasant. And since then, I mean we get along great.

SPEAKER_07:

Her and Aaron Ziert went to college together. No way, really. They lived in the same at Gustavus, they lived in the Swedish house.

SPEAKER_05:

I didn't realize they went to Gustavus. Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

Yep. Yeah, they're gusties and really obsessed with the Swedish chef.

SPEAKER_08:

From what I can the popcorn is popping, bork, bork, bork, you know, that guy.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. You don't know how the Sesame Street thing?

SPEAKER_02:

Hey.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh my god. What is a Swedish chef?

SPEAKER_02:

Just us ganging up on nature at this point in time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, I'm gonna kidnap you and show you a bunch of stuff so you can be more than these situations. How do you not know the Swedish chef? That's a Muppet. That's yeah or Kermit the Frog or something. Kermit the Frog or something. We need to end this. This is crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know what's happening.

SPEAKER_07:

Yes, the Muppets.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah. Okay, all right. All right. We got there. I said Sesame Street. You could have given me a point for that. Yeah. It's close.

SPEAKER_00:

A biscuit over 21. A biscuit over 21.

SPEAKER_04:

My three-year-old son is doomed. You got some work to do.

SPEAKER_07:

You need to watch all the Muppet movies. And they're good. They're good, good, funny movies. The kid will love them.

SPEAKER_05:

Right now I'm force-feeding him ancient aliens, and it's okay. We need to call it social services.

SPEAKER_07:

You traded in the Muppets from I don't know what that what did you say?

SPEAKER_05:

Ancient Aliens, yeah. Is that a collection it was a it was an old history channel show, oldish being like quiet? For your three-year-old old. Yeah, where they tell you that the pyramids were made by aliens, and so it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a college course that told me that. Like an entire semester college course.

SPEAKER_04:

I watched the show, they said the world was flat.

SPEAKER_05:

I just keep one record that's got the globe like imprinted on it, and I'm like, this is a globe.

SPEAKER_10:

Don't do that.

SPEAKER_05:

Dave, if you wind up listening to this in like 10 years, I'm sorry. I'm joking.

SPEAKER_07:

My whole childhood was a lie.

SPEAKER_05:

That's what happens when you get to the end of Malax. It just drops off. Oh no.

SPEAKER_09:

The end of Malax.

SPEAKER_05:

Those poor fish. I haven't made it very far in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00:

We have some work to do with Nate. Yes, we do. This is what I'm sensing. We're working on it.

SPEAKER_07:

Muppet movie marathon. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, there are well, there are movie nights in the future, perhaps here at Trolls.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, we're on to do all that kind of stuff, like movie nights, and I mean we're we're gonna be doing all kinds of different events here, but I mean, I don't I right now I cannot think of a single one. Why is that? Movie?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I think movie nights are now gonna be directed toward what we need Nate to see, and he has to attend them.

SPEAKER_05:

You have to tie to like this like Bod Villian like old school era we were talking about earlier, where it is like the blob or like son of Frank. Well, son of Frank is signed, but like you know, like really, really like go far back in the yeah fun.

SPEAKER_02:

Or Strange Brew. Does anybody know that movie?

SPEAKER_07:

That's a that's a solid one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I've been told I need to watch the movie. We're getting the glassy eyed look from Nate.

SPEAKER_07:

He clearly hasn't seen it.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm I'm with Nate though. I haven't watched it either. It's good. I know it's a problem.

SPEAKER_07:

It's good.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I mean, it's one of the first actual beer movies, you know, around. Oh. Have you seen Beer Fest? Oh my god, absolutely. Yes. Okay, good. Yeah. All right. We're okay then. Faith in humanity restored. Yeah, we'll do like we're gonna do like outdoor. Next year is gonna be a little bit more outdoorsy for us, so we're gonna do outdoor movies outside, you know, drive-in style. But um, you know what I mean? It'll be, you know, if you need a ficus, I know a guy. Uh a ficus?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, ficus trees. It's a weird pitch. They're all the rage. Yeah. It's a comforting, crazy. Comforting tree. Yeah. Yeah. Indoors or outdoors.

SPEAKER_10:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Are we starting with Strange Brew though?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know. We haven't seen. I haven't decided yet. So it might be uh more family friendly. Oh, yeah. So, you know, toy stories, something like that. So we'll see. Just to bring everybody out because where the kids go, parents go. That's true. That's what I was gonna tell you. Yeah. Next door, they're gonna be opening up a 70,000 square foot trampoline park.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah, it's like a big entertainment center for kids.

SPEAKER_02:

Big entertainment center for kids.

SPEAKER_00:

When you tell me this, you tell me it's trampolines and a climbing wall. It is.

SPEAKER_02:

It is like a huge climbing wall, like all kinds of stuff. But mostly for kids.

SPEAKER_05:

Well, I'll stay on this side of the wall. It's a great incentive for folks to come down where it's like, hey, hang out, bring your kids over here, kick them to the curb. Or no, come come over here with your kids.

SPEAKER_07:

Um show them a record, tell them it looks this is what Earth is like, and have a beer.

SPEAKER_02:

Exactly. I mean, if I could have a pass-through wall right here, I would. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know. We'll see. But they're definitely building it to be open by in a March. Uh but the good thing around here is they're building other things. They built the Zupas, they're doing a coffee shop and a dentist. Super fun. Well, yeah, I mean, so it can all be exciting.

SPEAKER_00:

What I like most after visiting the dentist is going to have a beer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

I like the folks that go to the brewery first before the dentist. Oh, that's a good idea, too. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, fair enough. Yeah. Are they all relaxed, right?

SPEAKER_05:

I don't know if I'm more relaxed, but I'm just spiteful towards my dentist.

SPEAKER_07:

Are they also revamping Burnsville Mall? Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

It's a loaded question, but yeah. So they they are. So they're having an Asian mall gonna be opening up, but there's like three cool. There's three different, which it looks pretty cool, but there's three different companies going to be or have purchased the mall. And they're all doing their own thing. And so we don't all know what's gonna be happening. There people were, you know, passing around of like you know, pickleball, all that kind of stuff. So right now, the biggest thing we know is Asian mall is about to open. Okay. And so that would be pretty awesome. So I don't know, like Eden Prairie, when they're yeah, which is one of my favorite places to be. I love that place.

SPEAKER_07:

I have a hilarious story about that. So when my last year at the junior high in my district, I teach in Hopkins, they have a Xingjing program, which is like Chinese immersion. Cool. And they brought the kids to the Asian mall for field trip. And this one kid who I had in eighth grade, he bought a live Dungeness crab. He like, he's like, hey, when I was there when he was there, and so like the kids came back, I'm like, Oh, what'd you get? He's like, Chuck it up, Mr. B. I'm like, Jesus Christ, that thing's moving. What are you gonna do with that? He's like, I'm gonna bring it home and my mom will cook it. And it was I'm like, okay, great. This is awesome.

SPEAKER_08:

Did he bring it directly from yes?

SPEAKER_07:

And I'm like, that thing is not gonna survive. You have like three more hours of that.

SPEAKER_05:

That needs to be like in a cooler, like also it had a containment unit for him to like, it wasn't like in his like the foot out.

SPEAKER_00:

It was picturing like a goldfish bag.

SPEAKER_07:

No, essentially that. Oh my god. This same kid also one time when I had a seventh grade? He well, he was a ninth grader. Ninth grader. Ninth grader with dungeons crab money walking around. Well, no, this is because this guy should be a salesman because he had like five bucks. But he got all his other friends to chip in money so he could buy a dungen as crab.

SPEAKER_02:

He should be a salesman.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. He had charisma. Also, one time when I got a church is what he did. I had a sub. When you have a sub in school, sometimes they leave notes behind, and he was very funny, but also didn't understand time and a place. So he had like some sort of he called he said, Hey, do you have any tape? And the sub wrote this all down like verbatim. She's like, Yeah, one of your students asked for tape and he had a very phallic display. Uh, he claimed it was for a health class project. So he just had a card. Board ding dong that he was like passed off as some health health project and like well did you give the tape like it's just like like that is you know don't don't stand in the way of progress Miguel's scholarly pursuits artistic expression yeah he was he was a goofball that is amazing story though yeah I don't know where we go after that but I don't know either so yes Asian malls open up over here and if you want to buy a crab um and bring it to the brewery pets are allowed yeah yeah um I mean there's that that's right throw it in the throw it in the work they are allowed yes they are yes hey I I've had an oyster beer or two in my day ew no all right well Darren from Rapids Brewing Company sorry Jeffrey disagrees really I don't know I've never heard of such a thing but I don't know prove me wrong I'll drink it if I like it no one time when I got a tour back when uh the the big distribution center uh right by insight was Johnson brothers yeah yeah we got Johnson JJ Taylor JJ Taylor that's what I meant yeah so we got a tour of JJ Taylor and it was so crazy but there was a spot yeah I was amazed at how like robotic like they have this robot arm that just goes and grabs pallets and like organizes them but there was a like a firkin of an oyster stout and it just had like a taped handwritten piece of paper in Sharpie and it said pearl necklace.

SPEAKER_05:

I love that and I was like oh that's interesting what sort of a tour are we getting ourselves into here folks what have we stepped into it was a little white this is why we do small business yeah so I've had oyster stouts though they're good are they good they're a little briny I've never had one I had my my first one was at uh Red Light Red Light in Orlando Florida I went with uh Lance Asher from the Growler magazine way back light red light light red light do you know what no oh great little like uh like brew pub I don't know import goofy stuff this is great we need to do this every week I didn't make the name swear to god it's real I'm believing you ask Lance Lance is a real person as well I swear but yeah it was a good stout it was exactly what Dan just said it's got this kind of like briny mineralic like I mean because I love oysters there's no oysters in it is that what you're worried about no I wasn't worried about that I just worried about the flavor combination but you know it works with the with the stout kind of like now right fair enough I was picturing an actual oyster as well oh no I've known that Jeffrey what you're what I'm hearing is like folks can look forward to a Dungeness crab stout as soon as that would be a great collaboration geeks and gurus geeks and geeks geeks and gurus that's and possibly a shellfish allergy that is effing around a little too much that's what I think but I mean for me it's like the oysters like I thought that that would be a interesting flavor.

SPEAKER_02:

But I don't I don't know if I ought to do it.

SPEAKER_05:

I love oysters but I think they just put the shells yeah I'll say so I remember specifically with the I'll give Darren another shout out because you know how expensive oysters are so I know a guy.

SPEAKER_07:

Same guy that sells me the Fikus stuff I he does oysters too. Alright he's a deep sea diver. I love oysters in Millax he doesn't go to the edge though so he's never fallen off here. I feel like all this is code for something we've come full circle no we'll keep going the British accent has come out the geeks and gurus is in full effect.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh that was the beer offer thank you grant um I was gonna say so like one thing that opened my eyes up like it was a year or two ago I was over at uh Sir Ben's in Duluth it totally off tangent of like our Ben's magical place. Sir Benz is fantastic. Josh does such a great job of just having this like cozy little vibe with good beer and I mean I can say a Ruben tastes good. A Rubin tastes good is anywhere. Soggy Ruben at Arby's two thumbs up but but at Sir Ben's it's really great. Oh no but I was up there like I said like a year ago one of his bartenders like yeah I just got done with a dive over in uh superior I was like fucking what and he's like yeah you know it's nice outside it's summer it's sun's shining whatnot just jump in the water do a little deep stuff they do that apparently yeah it's it's frigid in there yeah Minnesota people are crazy yeah I was freaked the fuck out I was like we're like my wife and my daughter and I were up there and all of a sudden some people came out of the lake I wasn't expecting people to come out of the lake and then up and then into saunas I was like okay the Atlantis invasion is happening. I was like that was tell the mayor that was all pines north last year where it was like a 90 degree day and everyone's like oh we wrapped the festival we're gonna go jump in the lake like that's wild I understand it's like July but still I heard stories about this yeah speaking of All Pines I missed the beer party that St.

SPEAKER_07:

Ben's would have on All Pines Eve. Remember that they'd get all the beer trailers in their parking lot they don't do they haven't done that in a couple years.

SPEAKER_05:

No it's been a little bit well so it's that's a another very long conversation but like Duluth is getting really weird with having All Pines North it's just so expensive.

SPEAKER_07:

Well yeah because it's like Vegas prices for hotels.

SPEAKER_05:

It's Vegas price for hotels and so it's like really restrictive on the consumers really restrictive on the breweries. It's tough to get up there to do the actual thing. We love doing it up in Duluth and I don't want to like give too much information or like thoughts for the guild itself because it's not my place to say it.

SPEAKER_07:

But despite the fact that you are on the board.

SPEAKER_05:

I I'm on the board but I don't want to like publicly say too many things because like because like it's it's a point of contention where we're we're just concerned because we want to do it because we love it and we're trying to find a way to continue doing it. Yeah. And so it's that makes sense. Yeah and it's tough because yeah it used to be where it's like all these big grandiose like festival parties pre-parties like nonsense I used to sleep in the back of my Jeep or the back of my party band yeah it was a great time yeah that was my way of cutting the cost to make it happen. It's getting exorbitantly more expensive to come up there. And so the parties are super fun. Nonsense I met my wife up there technically that's awesome. That's cool. I didn't know that I met my wife up there because after ingesting an entire festival's worth of things as as well as some tincture from another brewer of a place that I'm really fond of that I won't name drop today I had enough liquid courage which is a lot of liquid courage to Instagram DM a very attractive Hispanic woman on my Instagram.

SPEAKER_02:

Wow you gotta risk it for the biscuit absolutely your wife is amazing by the way such a nice such a nice person she's a big fan of yours yeah yeah so message her that night didn't remember messaging her when I woke up and wow thank you all pints north yeah and now we've got a three year old true story true story the circle of love yes and it's all tied into beer yes it is it is yeah I would and I've never as a I know this is gonna sound really crazy but never been all pints north really Jeffrey because I've seen you at like other beer festivals I've asked them like what did you say?

SPEAKER_04:

I know that's crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

I've seen you at like other stuff from my brewery has but I have not personal I mean so it's like one of those like realities that you have to kind of like gut check a little bit when it's like you need to do it here like you know ma manage the tap room all that kind of stuff and then you know get up and then get up there and like do all the kind of stuff we have volunteers and all that kind of stuff people already up there so and then last year this last year Nate meant for us in May which was uh amazing uh but it is it's cost prohibitive and I would love to see that come down so more people would go you know I mean so that's the tricky part to talk to the Duluth board for that one. Yeah no maybe I'll go put my two cents in because I think it's cost prohibitive and you know people could be having a lot of fun and you know expand this experience.

SPEAKER_00:

So this year was my first all heights I feel like I booked it kind of late so that the hotel was ridiculously expensive.

SPEAKER_05:

But I thought it was just because I booked it no it would have been if you were nine months in advance like they know and like I think it was like two or three years ago um the finish fest yeah started happening at the exact same time too so like they know an audience is showing up and before they just jack up the prices. Absolutely yeah and and like price sucks and it sucks spending that much but it is such a good time.

SPEAKER_04:

It is such a good time I almost feel like it's I want to say it's worth it.

SPEAKER_07:

The cost is totally worth it. I I had no regrets afterwards I had absolutely no regrets because it was like the I almost lost an eye for multiple reasons I almost lost an eye left it all out there folks my my mission for you next year you need to attend all pines yeah I would love to go absolutely whatever you need to make that happen I want to help with a different year for us you know we're gonna fund it with a Dungeness crab stout yep we have we have our struggles but we also have our expectations and we're gonna make it Scott Fitzgerald Scott Fitzgerald isn't that a new documentary just came out right the Edmund Fitzgerald oh yeah what did he call it Dan's gonna lose it Dan's already lost it yeah that's my bad I've never seen his face this red before Scott Fitzgerald he's gonna use I'd like to hear Gordon Whitefoot do a song about that he wrote a lot of books and they were about people who drank in the nice places all in St. Paul F.

SPEAKER_05:

Scott Fitzgerald wrote the Great Gatsby I realized the error of my sentences after you started laughing on the oh god that's good oh man you're gonna make an error that was that was a really good one that one is going on the poor one out for the infrastructure anniversary of that too like the other day and everybody's posting about I should have gotten that down.

SPEAKER_07:

Well you know that guy was kind of a prick he had his wife committed to a mental institution in Louisville the boat or no in Asheville no not the Edmund Fitzgerald F. Scott Fitzgerald I learned this when I went to Asheville and the Airbnb host I stayed with had horses at the Biltmore estate and she was like do you want to go to the Biltmore? I'm like yeah I was thinking about it like well I could keep my horses there we could go in the back like we drove in the back way the Biltmore estate and then she told me like yeah F F Scott Fitzgerald had his wife committed here so he could like live his best life you know not with her. Yeah not with her it's kind of sad. That's rough yeah also sad what happened with the Edmund Fitzgerald as we all know if you didn't pay attention to social media.

SPEAKER_08:

Did it sink? Oh it sank yeah I'm just checking that's gonna stay with me for a long time between that and the joke you told before we started recording I'm gonna giggle myself to sleep tonight.

SPEAKER_02:

I don't doubt it.

SPEAKER_00:

And with that we are gonna wrap things up here at Trove in Burnsville Minnesota. Good lord unless you want to just keep the mics rolling I mean we could keep the mics rolling who knows what's going to happen at this point.

SPEAKER_07:

I don't think anything productive got some other boat and literary references combined and biscuits.

SPEAKER_05:

And biscuits you know for Christmas we're theming our actual Christmas party as pirates and that that's not a gimmick off of the conversation like that's very literally we've got like 20 people coming to our house dressed as pirates this year.

SPEAKER_00:

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_05:

Are there any blind prostitutes I'd like to see some photos nobody heard the reference to that's a strange question. Just Courtney come on just put it in the family show.

SPEAKER_02:

Courtney Hunting my sister's showing up yes oh my god she doesn't listen to this podcast I went on record that Jeffrey invited me to come down to this I did. It's not my fault.

SPEAKER_00:

Alright we are gonna wrap this up where can we find Tro Brewing on social media so people can follow you and do all the things well you can find us on Facebook Instagram obviously and that's where we do most of our posting these days so you can find us there.

SPEAKER_07:

Excellent Dan where can people find you people can find me at a one pint stand on Instagram Facebook Blue Sky Mastodon and TikTok it kills me every time you say Mastodon. Yeah it's a new thing I have one of my one of my Patreon subscribers is like that's his preferred method of social media so I'm on there now just for him. Nice there you go and uh if you want to find my written content go to a onepintstand.com. Lots of good stuff on there.

SPEAKER_00:

Lots of good stuff. And I am Courtney you can find me at the brewery adventure on Instagram or thebreyadventure.com or Courtney at the breweryadventure.com if you feel like sending me a message about this episode or anything that you heard here today.

SPEAKER_07:

If you are a relative of F. Scott Fitzgerald or Edmund Fitzgerald direct your comments to livecredo biscuit21 at MySpace.

SPEAKER_05:

I caught the tail on that if I get to plug any of my stuff as well so very near future look for voltage THC out on your store shelves look for amper THC, botanic THC it's all under Credo brands our partners with Green Elevator THC as well. Look for those and uh come on down to Tro Brewing Company to try out Carbon Bites. That's the name of our food truck and we're pretty stoked.

SPEAKER_00:

I am so excited for that to come out here.

SPEAKER_07:

I love Alpa store tacos I'm very excited I can't wait to eat them all the time. Oh god that's gonna be great I'm yeah I can't wait mostly for selfish reasons because I'm hungry all the time so you're gonna have to put in like a little bit of a real Fiesta del Chacha around here it's like oh boy I'm excited.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes that's gonna be great yes door and it's gonna smell amazing in here so yeah I can't wait.

SPEAKER_07:

So because when you do it the right way you get that like crust that from the you know the pork gets crispy so then in those you get the that textural difference from like the fat drips down and then it's the combination of the fat dripping down then also you have to skewer the pineapple on the top and the bottom so that way you're getting the sweetness that comes down from it.

SPEAKER_05:

And then you're making me way too hungry. This is all Richie stuff but like the Meridade he has too it everything soaks down to the bottom it's it's really awesome. Yeah um and it El Pastor is just one of the things that we got going on. I mean we've got influences it this is a better pitch for earlier in the conversation but we've got influences from Argentina Venezuela Korea. This is not a Hispanic specific food truck. We're taking influences from kind of all over and turning into fusion. I don't want to say fusion entire but yes yeah it's it's I just like the word influenced it's it's we're not doing Korean food but we've got some flavors of these different things that are tying into the the small plates we're gonna be serving. Yeah that's exciting I haven't had his food it's amazing basically everything's charcoal cooked so that that is the biggest push is it's carbon bites yeah got it carbon bites I love it I'm so looking forward to this carbonbitesgrill.com Instagram Facebook Twitter uh not Twitter no sorry TikTok all right that's it for us go support your local craft brewery support some THC drinks go check yeah local ones go check that out and we will see you next time on the brewery adventure I also didn't walk the table after that Ralph I know

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